Today in thid blog I am going to point out many flaws in the writings of Jagat Guru Rampal Ji which will clarify all the rumours he has claimed.
1. Kabir is not above Tridev
Sant Rampal has always been claiming that Kabir is the supreme God above Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and Durga. He says that Kabir tries to tell the world that he is the real God by taking incarnation. He said that Allah took incarnation as the poet Kabir Das in Kaliyuga, who was a social reformer and participated in the Bhakti Movement. But if you go by historical evidences, Kabir Das called himself a child of Allah and Ram in one of his writings named 'Bijak'. So how is Kabir the supreme God? He is a godman like Sai Baba, Lokenath Baba or Guru Nanak. But he is not the supreme God above Tridev. Wikipedia further mentions that Kabir treats his soul as the bride (symbolically) of God which further proves that he is not the supreme God. He might be an incarnation of some God as he had magical powers like Sai Baba, but he is not above Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.
Sant Rampal also says that Kabir takes incarnation on earth and tells people that he is the real God. If that is true, why didn't any such incident occur in the life of Jains & Buddhists? Sant Rampal also says that Kabir says that he is above Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. To prove this wrong, I have posted the pictures of the verses below.
Sant Rampal also says that Kabir takes incarnation on earth and tells people that he is the real God. If that is true, why didn't any such incident occur in the life of Jains & Buddhists? Sant Rampal also says that Kabir says that he is above Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. To prove this wrong, I have posted the pictures of the verses below.
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| A source from the verses of Kabir Das |
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| Translations of verses from 'Bijak' |
What can be more authentic than the writings of Kabir Das himself? Talking about the so called evidences in Quran, I consulted my Muslim friend who can read Arabic language (she doesn't know Sant Rampal so kindly don't accuse her of being fake). She said that the translations are wrong. She said that Allah has nothing to do with Kabir Das in Quran. In the verse 'Khabira' means supreme and it has no relation with Kabir Das. Another Muslim friend also said that the translations by Sant Rampal are incorrect. More research is being conducted right now regarding the authenticity of his translations of the Vedic verses he has shown. Also to state if Kabir would have been Allah, why do we find proofs indicating that Kaaba is a Shiv temple (this means Shiva is Allah) and why did Guru Nanak call Waheguru Onkar/Omkar (a name of Shiva)?
Also to state that Kabir himself never believed in Vedas and Quran. He just believed in humanity. So here Sant Rampal falls on his own trap.
But there are cases which state that Kabir Das was reborn as Sai Baba, an incarnation of Dattatreya and Shiva. So logically Kabir might be an incarnation of Shiva and Dattatreya.
Also read the Devi Suktam from Rig Veda which states that Adishakti is the goddess who makes the lord powerful. Since Kabir in no way is related to Adishakti, this proves that Sant Rampal was deluding innocent devotees. This also proves that Sadashiva is supreme. Also read Devi Upanishad from the Atharva Ved.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dev%C4%ABs%C5%ABkta
https://www.kamakotimandali.com/srividya/devyupanishat.html
Now read the Svetvastara Upanishad from Yajur Veda, which proves the supremacy of Shiva.
https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/shveta.html?lang=sa
With fear in their minds, people worship you as unborn. Rudra may your face which is full of grace protect us all the time.
Ajat here means unborn. This proves Shiva is not in birth and death. So here one more lie of Sant Rampal is exposed. (Note: Dakshin not only means South, but also someone who loves everyone equally.)
In the Nirvana Upanishad, you will get a verse which states that the worship of Tridev culminates in the worship of the supreme.
http://www.vedarahasya.net/nirvana.htm
Now read this from Guru Granth Sahib.
Wait for another bomb now (from a blog regarding Guru Granth Sahib which are verses by Kabir).
ਕਬੀਰ ਪੂੰਗਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਅਲਹ ਕਾ ਸਭ ਗਰ ਪੀਰ ਹਮਾਰੇ ॥੫॥
Kabeer is the child of God, Allah, Raam. All the Gurus and prophets are mine. ||5||
ਸਾਚ ਕਤੇਬ ਬਖਾਨੈ ਅਲਹ ਨਾਰਿ ਪਰਖ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਈ ॥
Your holy scriptures say that Allah is True, and that he is neither male nor female.
Now we all know that Kabir is a male. But here Allah is called genderless. So again Sant Rampal is trapped.
If you read the blog where he misrepresented the story of Shiva and Sati (in point 5 of this blog), you will get convinced that he has manipulated many things just to put himself in a good position.
If you want to find God in Kabir Das, there is nothing wrong in it. But it is wrong to degrade other Gods or prove the reality fake just to promote your own God. If you have a clean mind, you can find God in Kabir, the way Garib Das found God in Kabir.
Also to state that Kabir himself never believed in Vedas and Quran. He just believed in humanity. So here Sant Rampal falls on his own trap.
But there are cases which state that Kabir Das was reborn as Sai Baba, an incarnation of Dattatreya and Shiva. So logically Kabir might be an incarnation of Shiva and Dattatreya.
Also read the Devi Suktam from Rig Veda which states that Adishakti is the goddess who makes the lord powerful. Since Kabir in no way is related to Adishakti, this proves that Sant Rampal was deluding innocent devotees. This also proves that Sadashiva is supreme. Also read Devi Upanishad from the Atharva Ved.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dev%C4%ABs%C5%ABkta
https://www.kamakotimandali.com/srividya/devyupanishat.html
Now read the Svetvastara Upanishad from Yajur Veda, which proves the supremacy of Shiva.
https://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_upanishhat/shveta.html?lang=sa
अजात इत्येवं कश्चिद्भीरुः प्रपद्यते ।
रुद्र यत्ते दक्षिणं मुखं तेन मां पाहि नित्यम् ॥ २१॥
With fear in their minds, people worship you as unborn. Rudra may your face which is full of grace protect us all the time.
Ajat here means unborn. This proves Shiva is not in birth and death. So here one more lie of Sant Rampal is exposed. (Note: Dakshin not only means South, but also someone who loves everyone equally.)
In the Nirvana Upanishad, you will get a verse which states that the worship of Tridev culminates in the worship of the supreme.
http://www.vedarahasya.net/nirvana.htm
Now read this from Guru Granth Sahib.
Gur Eesar Gur Gorakh Gur Barma Gur Parbatee Mai
Gur = spiritual master, Eesar = Shiva, Gorakh = Vishnu Barma = Brahma, Parbatee = Parvati, Mai = Lakshmi and Saraswati
The spiritual masters of mine are Shiva, Vishnu, and Brahma. The spiritual masters are also Parvati, Lakshmi and Saraswati.
Wait for another bomb now (from a blog regarding Guru Granth Sahib which are verses by Kabir).
ਕਬੀਰ ਪੂੰਗਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਅਲਹ ਕਾ ਸਭ ਗਰ ਪੀਰ ਹਮਾਰੇ ॥੫॥
Kabeer is the child of God, Allah, Raam. All the Gurus and prophets are mine. ||5||
ਸਾਚ ਕਤੇਬ ਬਖਾਨੈ ਅਲਹ ਨਾਰਿ ਪਰਖ ਨਹੀ ਕੋਈ ॥
Your holy scriptures say that Allah is True, and that he is neither male nor female.
Now we all know that Kabir is a male. But here Allah is called genderless. So again Sant Rampal is trapped.
If you read the blog where he misrepresented the story of Shiva and Sati (in point 5 of this blog), you will get convinced that he has manipulated many things just to put himself in a good position.
If you want to find God in Kabir Das, there is nothing wrong in it. But it is wrong to degrade other Gods or prove the reality fake just to promote your own God. If you have a clean mind, you can find God in Kabir, the way Garib Das found God in Kabir.
2. Durga is not the mother of Tridev
Sant Rampal has written a wrong tale which states that Durga was forcefully married to Kaal (Sadashiva) and raped by him as a result of which the Tridev (Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva) were born. This is wrong and it can be proven by verses in the Durga Chalisa that she was not their mother. In reality Durga is a form of Parvati, the wife of Shiva. One of her forms is known as Skandamata, which means mother of Kartikeyan, the son of Shiva. The Durga Chalisa further states that Saraswati and Lakshmi are incarnations of Parvati. The Shivashtak states that Sadashiva and Shiva are the same. So logically, Brahma and Vishnu are forms of Shiva themselves. Shiva has himself called her Sati, Raudramukhi, etc. Ambika, a name for Durga, is one of the 11 Rudranis. Also to say you will find many Shakti Peethas attributed to Durga, Kali, etc., which prove she is Parvati. The Durga Sahasranamam also states names like Gauri, Maheshwari, etc., which proves that she is the wife of Shiva. This will prove that Sant Rampal is lying as the fake rape rumours of Durga are the root cause of his lies. Also why on earth will a priest (no matter how corrupt he/she is) make someone's mother, the wife of that person?
Though some Purans do state Durga as the mother of Shiva, we don't take it seriously because lots of Purans contradict each other and some Purans spread filthy rumours that Saraswati is the daughter of Brahma, but it's proven that she isn't his daughter. Purans were corrupted by anti-Hindus like the British to degrade Hinduism. The very same Devi Puran (which Sant Rampal refers to) also calls Durga one of the 5 Prakritis, where she is the mother of Ganesh and wife of Shiva.
Also since Durga had too many hands, she could save herself easily. So there was no chance of rape. Even when her husband Shiva has sex with Durga, he has it when she wants it.
Also to mention that Durga means hard to attain. So how could she get raped? Sadashiva performs the tasks of creation, preservation, destruction, concealment and revelation. He is our protector. So how could he rape someone? If she was so vulnerable to rape, then why could Akbar not extinguish her flames in the Jwala Temple (and science has proven this incident)?
Also to state that if Adishakti is called the controller of the lord, then there is no chance that any aspect of Adishakti could get raped.
Though some Purans do state Durga as the mother of Shiva, we don't take it seriously because lots of Purans contradict each other and some Purans spread filthy rumours that Saraswati is the daughter of Brahma, but it's proven that she isn't his daughter. Purans were corrupted by anti-Hindus like the British to degrade Hinduism. The very same Devi Puran (which Sant Rampal refers to) also calls Durga one of the 5 Prakritis, where she is the mother of Ganesh and wife of Shiva.
Also since Durga had too many hands, she could save herself easily. So there was no chance of rape. Even when her husband Shiva has sex with Durga, he has it when she wants it.
Also to mention that Durga means hard to attain. So how could she get raped? Sadashiva performs the tasks of creation, preservation, destruction, concealment and revelation. He is our protector. So how could he rape someone? If she was so vulnerable to rape, then why could Akbar not extinguish her flames in the Jwala Temple (and science has proven this incident)?
Also to state that if Adishakti is called the controller of the lord, then there is no chance that any aspect of Adishakti could get raped.
कात्यायनाय विद्महे कन्याकुमारि धीमहि । तन्नो दुर्गिः
प्रचोदयात् ॥ [Yajurveda T.A. 10.1.7]
Now the name Katyayni proves that the Navdurga theory is true which further proves that Durga and Parvati are same as Katyayni is one of the 9 forms of Durga and as I've mentioned before Skandamata is also one of the Navdurga forms. Kanyakumari is also a form of Parvati. This again proves that Durga and Parvati are same. Now if you guys still think Durga is the mother of Shiva, then I pity you.
This is a hymn in praise of Shiva where he is called the husband of Ambika (Durga), Uma (Parvati) and the lord of animals. You will also find such a verse in Rig Veda in the Hiranyagarbha Suktam. Sant Rampal's game is over now.
Let me also take a verse from Svetvastara Upanishad from Yajur Veda.
Know that Prakriti is nothing but Maya and Maheswara is the wielder of Maya. The whole world here is pervaded by beings who are part of Him.
As Durga is called Prakriti according to Sant Rampal, she is proven to be the wife of Shiva as Shiva is called her wielder (controller). As Shiva is her controller, he must be her spouse.
Mahabharata Bhishma Parva consists of section where Arjuna worships Godesses Durga: Thou art the science of Brahma among sciences, and thou that art that sleep of creatures from which there is no waking. O mother of Skanda, O thou that possessest the six (highest) attributes, O Durga, O thou that dwellest in accessible regions, thou art described as Swaha, and Swadha, as Kala, as Kashta, and as Saraswati, as Savitra the mother of the Vedas, and as the science of Vedanta. With inner soul cleansed, I praise thee. O great goddess, let victory always attend me through thy grace on the field of battle. [Bhishma Parva: Section XXIII]
As it clearly says Durga as Mother of Skanda (Kartikeya). So, she is same as Parvati.
Even in the Tripura Rahasya, you will find Dattatreya (combined incarnation of Tridev) stating that Lalita has names like Amba and Harakanta (wife of Hara, who is Shiva). So now someone who is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, has verified that Durga is the wife of Shiva. So how is she now the mother of Tridev?
Also to state that the Taittiriya Aranyaka from Yajur Veda proves that Shiva and Sadashiva (Kaal) are same. Sage Narada has also authenticated in the Dattatreya Stotram written by him that Sadashiva and Shiva are same. Also to state that Shiva is called Mahakal, so he cannot be under the control of Kaal (specially when Shiva and Kaal are same). Also since Kaal and Shiva are same, let me tell you that Shiva cannot think of raping his wife (Durga) though he controls her. Also to mention if Kaal is different from Shiva, why is a form Shiva called Kaal Bhairav? This means Kaal isn't the father of Shiva but an incarnation of Shiva. As Kaal, he is the spouse of Durga, Kali and Bhairavi, forms of Parvati.
The Rudraksha Jabala Upanishad from the Sama Veda states that the Nine Shaktis (Navdurga) reside in the 9-mukhi Rudraksha. This also proves the existence of Navdurgas which proves Durga is a form of Parvati, wife of Shiva.
This case also proves that Sant Rampal is showing and translating verses according to his own benefit. Not with the intention of showing us the truth. He is taking advantage of the fact that we (including me) are not fully aware of what is in the Vedas so he is giving only the side convenient for himself. He has deliberately not shown verses which prove that Shiva is Durga's husband and deliberately not shown Shiva's supremacy. He can stoop to any level for his selfishness.
Also read the blog below to know the logical relationship between Shiva and Durga (that Durga is not the mother of Shiva).
अम्बिकापतये उमापतये पशुपतये नमो नमः ॥ १॥ [YajurVeda T.A. 10.22.1]
Let me also take a verse from Svetvastara Upanishad from Yajur Veda.
मायां तु प्रकृतिं विद्यान्मायिनं च महेश्वरम् ।
तस्यवयवभूतैस्तु व्याप्तं सर्वमिदं जगत् ॥ १०॥
Know that Prakriti is nothing but Maya and Maheswara is the wielder of Maya. The whole world here is pervaded by beings who are part of Him.
As Durga is called Prakriti according to Sant Rampal, she is proven to be the wife of Shiva as Shiva is called her wielder (controller). As Shiva is her controller, he must be her spouse.
Mahabharata Bhishma Parva consists of section where Arjuna worships Godesses Durga: Thou art the science of Brahma among sciences, and thou that art that sleep of creatures from which there is no waking. O mother of Skanda, O thou that possessest the six (highest) attributes, O Durga, O thou that dwellest in accessible regions, thou art described as Swaha, and Swadha, as Kala, as Kashta, and as Saraswati, as Savitra the mother of the Vedas, and as the science of Vedanta. With inner soul cleansed, I praise thee. O great goddess, let victory always attend me through thy grace on the field of battle. [Bhishma Parva: Section XXIII]
As it clearly says Durga as Mother of Skanda (Kartikeya). So, she is same as Parvati.
Even in the Tripura Rahasya, you will find Dattatreya (combined incarnation of Tridev) stating that Lalita has names like Amba and Harakanta (wife of Hara, who is Shiva). So now someone who is Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, has verified that Durga is the wife of Shiva. So how is she now the mother of Tridev?
Also to state that the Taittiriya Aranyaka from Yajur Veda proves that Shiva and Sadashiva (Kaal) are same. Sage Narada has also authenticated in the Dattatreya Stotram written by him that Sadashiva and Shiva are same. Also to state that Shiva is called Mahakal, so he cannot be under the control of Kaal (specially when Shiva and Kaal are same). Also since Kaal and Shiva are same, let me tell you that Shiva cannot think of raping his wife (Durga) though he controls her. Also to mention if Kaal is different from Shiva, why is a form Shiva called Kaal Bhairav? This means Kaal isn't the father of Shiva but an incarnation of Shiva. As Kaal, he is the spouse of Durga, Kali and Bhairavi, forms of Parvati.
The Rudraksha Jabala Upanishad from the Sama Veda states that the Nine Shaktis (Navdurga) reside in the 9-mukhi Rudraksha. This also proves the existence of Navdurgas which proves Durga is a form of Parvati, wife of Shiva.
This case also proves that Sant Rampal is showing and translating verses according to his own benefit. Not with the intention of showing us the truth. He is taking advantage of the fact that we (including me) are not fully aware of what is in the Vedas so he is giving only the side convenient for himself. He has deliberately not shown verses which prove that Shiva is Durga's husband and deliberately not shown Shiva's supremacy. He can stoop to any level for his selfishness.
Also read the blog below to know the logical relationship between Shiva and Durga (that Durga is not the mother of Shiva).
3. Hanuman never interacted with Kabir
Sant Rampal has mentioned a tale in which after few days of the war between Ram and Ravana, Kabir told Hanuman that Ram is not the real God but Kabir is the real God due to which Hanuman had to give up the worship of Ram. But now let me prove this wrong. There is an incident where Hanuman wanted to see Krishna as Ram and Rukmini as Sita as a result of which Krishna and Rukmini gave him darshan as Ram and Sita. He also says that Sita gave him a bracelet because of which Hanuman met Kabir. But according to the Ramayana, Sita gave him a hair jewel (choodamani). This clearly proves that Hanuman was still devoted to Ram and Kabir never interacted with Hanuman. The verse below, taken from Sundar Kand of the Ramayan clearly proves that Hanuman got a hair jewel from Sita.
मातु मोहि दीजे कछु चीन्हा। जैसें रघुनायक मोहि दीन्हा॥
चूड़ामनि उतारि तब दयऊ। हरष समेत पवनसुत लयऊ॥1॥
मातु मोहि दीजे कछु चीन्हा। जैसें रघुनायक मोहि दीन्हा॥
चूड़ामनि उतारि तब दयऊ। हरष समेत पवनसुत लयऊ॥1॥
4. Shiva was not responsible for the downfall of Ravana
Sant Rampal narrates an incident in which Kabir met Ravana and warned him to hand over Sita back to Ram. If this incident is true, why is it not mentioned in the Ramayana? He ends up blaming Shiva for the downfall of Ravana because Ravana was a devotee of Shiva. He further adds saying that Vibhishana got the kingdom because he was a devotee of Kabir. To clarify, let me tell you that Vibhishana was a devotee of Vishnu, not Kabir. Also to mention that Shiva was not responsible for the downfall of Ravana. Rather Shiva granted Ram a boon to win the battle against Ravana when Ram worshipped Shiva. If the Tridev have no role in changing the luck of people (which Sant Rampal claimed), why did Shiva save the life of Markandeya? Why did Krishna save Draupadi from getting disrobed?
Sant Rampal also claims that because Ravana was a devotee of Shiva, he went to hell. To further explain, there were gatekeepers of Vishnu named Jay and Vijay who were cursed to be born as enemies of Vishnu. Thus they were born as Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu in the first birth, Ravana and Kumbhakarana in the next birth, and finally Shishupal and Dantavakra in the last birth. In each birth they were killed by an incarnation of Vishnu and finally reached Vaikuthlok. So Ravana never went to hell.
Also Sant Rampal misinterpreted the tale of Bhasmasura and Shiva. Though Shiva granted him a boon that Bhasmasura could destroy anything he touched, Shiva could not die. His soul would remain alive. Think if Kamadeva didn't die inspite of being burnt by Shiva, why would Shiva die? Also Shiva could take back his boon any moment. (And Shiva exists in many ways. He can multiply his forms.) But he didn't do it deliberately. He went to Vishnu to solve his dilemma, not to save his life.
Also Sant Rampal misinterpreted the tale of Bhasmasura and Shiva. Though Shiva granted him a boon that Bhasmasura could destroy anything he touched, Shiva could not die. His soul would remain alive. Think if Kamadeva didn't die inspite of being burnt by Shiva, why would Shiva die? Also Shiva could take back his boon any moment. (And Shiva exists in many ways. He can multiply his forms.) But he didn't do it deliberately. He went to Vishnu to solve his dilemma, not to save his life.
5. Shiva and Sati had a pure relation
Sant Rampal insulted the couple of Shiva and Sati by saying that it was not a marriage but a 'love affair'. He said that Daksh had arranged Sati's marriage with someone else but Shiva took away Sati from the wedding place and Sati willingly wanted this. In reality Sati meditated to have Shiva as her husband as a result of which Shiva was impressed by her meditation and accepted her as his wife. Daksha though did not like Shiva, he accepted the marriage under the pressure of Brahma and Vishnu and got Sati married to Shiva.
Sant Rampal said that because Shiva and Sati had a love marriage, Shiva later got bored with Sati as a result of which she went to Daksha. In reality Shiva was never bored with her. Sati wanted to go to the place of Daksha because he organised a sacrifice where Shiva and Sati were not invited. Shiva initially didn't allow her to go because they were not invited but after so much insistence, he had to succumb to her wish. Though due to Daksha's insulting words towards Shiva, Sati destroyed her body and Shiva beheaded Daksha due to her death, Shiva placed a goat's head on his body and restored him back to life as a result of which Daksha realised his mistake and asked for forgiveness. So the 'love marriage' was not at all the cause of the separation. In fact Sati was reborn as Parvati and won Shiva by her meditation back and both again had a 'love marriage'.
Sant Rampal says that Brahma and Vishnu had a successful married life because their marriage was arranged. Brahma got married to Savitri, Gayatri and Vakdevi (forms of Saraswati) due to circumstances while Vishnu got married to Shridevi, Bhudevi and Niladevi (forms of Lakshmi) in a love marriage. He also gives incorrect details about the marriage of Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu. He says Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva got married on the same day during the churning of the ocean. But we all know that in reality the three gods were married on different dates. For example, Vishnu was married on Diwali and Shiva on Mahashivratri. He also says that there was no wedding flame in the weddings but the flame of the wedding of Shiva and Parvati still burns in the Triyuginarayan temple. The temple is located in Uttarakhand is not close to the oceans if you see the state in the Indian map. For further details refer to my blog 'Relationship between Brahma, Saraswati, Vishnu, Lakshmi'.
Sant Rampal also says that love marriage is a cause of social unrest and marriage should happen only for the purpose of giving birth to children. What about the social unrest some parents cause by killing the couple if their child marries a person of their choice? I am very sorry to say but be it love marriage or arranged marriage, the soul of a successful and happy marriage lies in the love, understanding and trust between the couple. If by chance a love marriage fails, it is not the fault of the system of love marriage but the parties in the relation. What is the guarentee that the person chosen in an arranged marriage is right? What about cases of marital rape and domestic violence, which happen in arranged marriages, though in love marriages too? What about those malpractices where a young woman was forcefully married to an old man? Is Sant Rampal trying to justify that? Just look at the couples of Shiva-Parvati, Ram-Sita and Krishna-Rukmini which are examples of love marriages. Each couple is an example of an ideal married life.
And now do you really think that this man is a true Saint and a true guide? If you really call him a true saint after this comment then I pity you all. All I can say is that he has deliberately twisted the story of Shiva and Sati and is trying to prove love marriage is wrong just to degrade our Tridev and Tridevi because there are many examples where Tridev and Tridevi had a love marriage. I have sufficient brains to understand his politics just to show that Tridev and Tridevi aren't worth worshipping. I'm not going to tolerate any kind of nonsense on my Uma-Mahershwara which Sant Rampal has spread by manipulating the story of Shiva and Sati and by spreading fake rape rumours of Durga.
Also to state that Kabir Das was someone who supported love. Now it's your choice whom you want to follow. Kabir Das or Mr. Bogus Sant Rampal? If you are truly devoted to Kabir then you should reject Sant Rampal as a your guide as he is contradicting the ideology of Kabir.
Sant Rampal says that Brahma and Vishnu had a successful married life because their marriage was arranged. Brahma got married to Savitri, Gayatri and Vakdevi (forms of Saraswati) due to circumstances while Vishnu got married to Shridevi, Bhudevi and Niladevi (forms of Lakshmi) in a love marriage. He also gives incorrect details about the marriage of Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu. He says Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva got married on the same day during the churning of the ocean. But we all know that in reality the three gods were married on different dates. For example, Vishnu was married on Diwali and Shiva on Mahashivratri. He also says that there was no wedding flame in the weddings but the flame of the wedding of Shiva and Parvati still burns in the Triyuginarayan temple. The temple is located in Uttarakhand is not close to the oceans if you see the state in the Indian map. For further details refer to my blog 'Relationship between Brahma, Saraswati, Vishnu, Lakshmi'.
Sant Rampal also says that love marriage is a cause of social unrest and marriage should happen only for the purpose of giving birth to children. What about the social unrest some parents cause by killing the couple if their child marries a person of their choice? I am very sorry to say but be it love marriage or arranged marriage, the soul of a successful and happy marriage lies in the love, understanding and trust between the couple. If by chance a love marriage fails, it is not the fault of the system of love marriage but the parties in the relation. What is the guarentee that the person chosen in an arranged marriage is right? What about cases of marital rape and domestic violence, which happen in arranged marriages, though in love marriages too? What about those malpractices where a young woman was forcefully married to an old man? Is Sant Rampal trying to justify that? Just look at the couples of Shiva-Parvati, Ram-Sita and Krishna-Rukmini which are examples of love marriages. Each couple is an example of an ideal married life.
And now do you really think that this man is a true Saint and a true guide? If you really call him a true saint after this comment then I pity you all. All I can say is that he has deliberately twisted the story of Shiva and Sati and is trying to prove love marriage is wrong just to degrade our Tridev and Tridevi because there are many examples where Tridev and Tridevi had a love marriage. I have sufficient brains to understand his politics just to show that Tridev and Tridevi aren't worth worshipping. I'm not going to tolerate any kind of nonsense on my Uma-Mahershwara which Sant Rampal has spread by manipulating the story of Shiva and Sati and by spreading fake rape rumours of Durga.
Also to state that Kabir Das was someone who supported love. Now it's your choice whom you want to follow. Kabir Das or Mr. Bogus Sant Rampal? If you are truly devoted to Kabir then you should reject Sant Rampal as a your guide as he is contradicting the ideology of Kabir.
6. Krishna narrated the Gita
Sant Rampal claims that Krishna never narrated the Gita. He says Gita was narrated by Kaal. But there is a speech by Krishna where he says that whenever the world will be in trouble due to adharma, Krishna (Vishnu), will take birth on earth to end adharma and bring dharma. And we very well know that Vishnu has often taken incarnations to end evil.
यदा यदा हि धर्मस्य ग्लानिर्भव- ति भारत ।
अभ्युत्थान- मधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम्- ॥४-७॥
परित्राणाय- साधूनां विनाशाय च दुष्कृताम्- ।
धर्मसंस्था- पनार्थाय सम्भवामि युगे युगे ॥४-८॥
अभ्युत्थान- मधर्मस्य तदात्मानं सृजाम्यहम्- ॥४-७॥
परित्राणाय- साधूनां विनाशाय च दुष्कृताम्- ।
धर्मसंस्था- पनार्थाय सम्भवामि युगे युगे ॥४-८॥
Saint Rampal says that Kaal narrated the Gita and calls himself 'bad'. If that is true, why would he talk of protecting dharma by destroying evil? We have noticed that whenever a demon would create havoc in the world, it was either Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva or Parvati (Durga, Kali, Tara) who killed the demons. There is no instance where Kabir killed a demon. Now just because Kabir is considered compassionate, people say he cannot kill demons. But to ensure justice in this world, you have to be strict. Violence is necessary if it is for a good purpose to punish the evil.
In Chapter 11, Verse 24, Arjuna is calling the narrator of Gita as Vishnu. In Chapter 10, Verse 14, Arjuna calls the narrator of Gita as Keshava. In Chapter 10, Verse 18, Arjuna calls the narrator of Gita as Janardana. So again Sant Rampal is hiding things for his benefits and is presenting what suits him, so that he can do business in the name of Kabir. It is all because of our lack of knowledge of Gita and Vedas, that many of his followers are deluded.
Though in Chapter 11, Verse 32, Krishna calls himself Kaal, we get another evidence in Chapter 11, Verse 35, where Sanjay says that Keshava (Krishna) is the narrator. Finally in Chapter 11, Verse 41, Arjuna calls Krishna the narrator.
Chapter 14, Verse 21, states that Arjuna called the narrator of Gita as 'Prabho', which means Lord. This again proves Sant Rampal is a liar.
(You can find these names in Sanskrit format. I'm not just telling the mere translations. Reference - Bhagavat Gita App)
Also to state that the narrator of Gita calls himself Mahakal, a name of Shiva. As Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu, Vishnu can be proven to be an incarnation of Shiva. This also applies to Brahma.
Also to state that in the Gita, Sant Rampal constantly says that Kaal places his seed in the womb of Prakriti as a result of which three gunas (Sattva, Rajas and Tamas), represented by Tridev are born. But I've already proven that Kaal and Shiva are same and Shiva is unborn. And if Shiva is the one who places his seed in the womb of Durga, how can he be born from her womb? So here also Sant Rampal is exposed.
Also to state that Oppenheimer, the inventor of atom bomb, has read the Gita in its Sanskrit format and himself said that Krishna is the narrator of Gita. Now here don't blame Indian priests. This time it's an international scientist who said this.
In Chapter 11, Verse 24, Arjuna is calling the narrator of Gita as Vishnu. In Chapter 10, Verse 14, Arjuna calls the narrator of Gita as Keshava. In Chapter 10, Verse 18, Arjuna calls the narrator of Gita as Janardana. So again Sant Rampal is hiding things for his benefits and is presenting what suits him, so that he can do business in the name of Kabir. It is all because of our lack of knowledge of Gita and Vedas, that many of his followers are deluded.
Though in Chapter 11, Verse 32, Krishna calls himself Kaal, we get another evidence in Chapter 11, Verse 35, where Sanjay says that Keshava (Krishna) is the narrator. Finally in Chapter 11, Verse 41, Arjuna calls Krishna the narrator.
Chapter 14, Verse 21, states that Arjuna called the narrator of Gita as 'Prabho', which means Lord. This again proves Sant Rampal is a liar.
(You can find these names in Sanskrit format. I'm not just telling the mere translations. Reference - Bhagavat Gita App)
Also to state that the narrator of Gita calls himself Mahakal, a name of Shiva. As Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu, Vishnu can be proven to be an incarnation of Shiva. This also applies to Brahma.
Also to state that in the Gita, Sant Rampal constantly says that Kaal places his seed in the womb of Prakriti as a result of which three gunas (Sattva, Rajas and Tamas), represented by Tridev are born. But I've already proven that Kaal and Shiva are same and Shiva is unborn. And if Shiva is the one who places his seed in the womb of Durga, how can he be born from her womb? So here also Sant Rampal is exposed.
Also to state that Oppenheimer, the inventor of atom bomb, has read the Gita in its Sanskrit format and himself said that Krishna is the narrator of Gita. Now here don't blame Indian priests. This time it's an international scientist who said this.
7. Vedas were created by Brahma
Sant Rampal Ji states that the Vedas were created by Kaal during the churning of the ocean. But Ved Vyas mentions in the Mahabharat that Brahma created the Vedas. There are also contributions of certain rishis as Brahma transferred the knowledge of Saraswati to the rishis. So Kaal as Brahma creates Vedas.
Sant Rampal also says that Tridev were married after the creation of Vedas. But it's untrue. For example, in Sri Suktam from Rig Veda, it is clearly mentioned that Lakshmi is the wife of Vishnu. The Kena Upanishad from the Sama Veda does tell about the existence of Parvati as Uma. You will also see Vedas calling Uma, the daughter of Himavan. This indicates that she didn't come from the churning of the ocean as claimed by Sant Rampal.
Sant Rampal also says that Tridev were married after the creation of Vedas. But it's untrue. For example, in Sri Suktam from Rig Veda, it is clearly mentioned that Lakshmi is the wife of Vishnu. The Kena Upanishad from the Sama Veda does tell about the existence of Parvati as Uma. You will also see Vedas calling Uma, the daughter of Himavan. This indicates that she didn't come from the churning of the ocean as claimed by Sant Rampal.
8. Kaal is sinless
Kaal has a name Niranjan. Niranjan means sinless. So there is no chance that Kaal raped Durga as he is sinless. Niranjan is also a name of Shiva which clearly hints that he is Shiva himself and Shiva is the husband of Durga. Niranjan is also the name of Waheguru in his formless state, who is also known as Allah.
Also to say that since Sant Rampal has tried to show Vedic verses and say that Vedas say that Kabir is supreme, let me prove that the Yajur Veda proves Shiva as supreme. The Pancha Brahma Upanishad from the Krishna Yajur Veda tells us that Shiva in his five-fold manifestation named Sadashiva is considered supreme. So the Kaal whom he is trying to prove as a sinner is actually the one worthy of worship. For further details read 'Connection between Sadashiva and Adishakti'.
Also to say that since Sant Rampal has tried to show Vedic verses and say that Vedas say that Kabir is supreme, let me prove that the Yajur Veda proves Shiva as supreme. The Pancha Brahma Upanishad from the Krishna Yajur Veda tells us that Shiva in his five-fold manifestation named Sadashiva is considered supreme. So the Kaal whom he is trying to prove as a sinner is actually the one worthy of worship. For further details read 'Connection between Sadashiva and Adishakti'.
9. Durga knows everything
In one instance, Sant Rampal says that Durga asks Kabir to protect her from Kaal, which states that she must have known that Kabir is supreme. In another situation, he says that Durga doesn't know the supreme God as she says that Kaal is supreme. Isn't this contradicting? Further to say that Durga incarnates as Saraswati (goddess of knowledge), Lakshmi (goddess of wealth) and Parvati (goddess of power, love and nourishment). So there is no chance that she doesn't know about the supreme entity.
10. Sant Rampal is not an incarnation of Kabir
Though Kabir is not a supreme God, he indeed had adorable qualities and was a godman like Sai Baba, Lokenath Baba, Guru Nanak and Ramkrishna Paramhansa. But funnily this bogus Sant Rampal calls himself an incarnation of Kabir, whom he treats as the supreme God. He was first a devotee of some Gods. If he is the supreme God's incarnation, why didn't he know his own divinity before? Why was he worshipping other Gods initially? On the other hand, Kabir Das was a very humble human being who never insulted anyone. Sant Rampal has even insulted Shiva and Krishna. Does any true godman or saint do such things? Funnily his followers say that the supreme God does not have a wife. Then why does Sant Rampal have a wife named Naro Devi? A big contradiction. He is also charged with cases of rape and murder. Now if you guys think he is innocent, let me tell you that if he can spread wrong rumours of Durga getting raped, then he can definitely rape a normal girl.
That's all I need to say. I hope if you people are logical and thoughtful, you will not fall in his trap. Only naive people will believe him. It is also very unfortunate that just because of this bogus Sant Rampal, some people are insulting Kabir Das. It's not the fault of Kabir Das if this bogus creature is spreading lies. Rather Kabir Das must be getting angry witnessing all this from heaven. If you people abuse Kabir Das just because of this person, you are abusing someone dear to your own god and inviting the wrath of your beloved god.
Note : I am not an expert in Vedas, Gita, Puranas and Upanishads, but I will also say that by whatever little knowledge I got from the sources mentioned above, I have that much common sense to understand the conspiracy of Sant Rampal. He is as bad as Zakir Naik. He is a traitor to his own religion.
For further clarification regarding the fact that Kabir never claimed himself as the supreme God, do read the link below.
https://www.onelittleangel.com/wisdom/quotes/saint.asp?mc=197
Also see the video exposing lies of Sant Rampal
https://youtu.be/98q2mmA3lXg
One of the followers of Sant Rampal tried to reach us in a park where my group of friends were playing football , we're just around 17 to 18 in age and have just done our 12th.
ReplyDeleteHe told us that Kabir Das ji was born on a lotus leaf.
He had no father or mother, no child.
He also told us that he chose his guru just as to pay respect to the guru culture cause according to him why would a God need a guru.
He also told us that Brahma , Vishnu , Mahesh were children of Durga according to him . And her father was the real almighty God according to him.
As these things were not going well with me , like we've always read Durga as 9 different devis , one of her forms were Parvati , Maa kaali and other more.
We just kept on nodding our heads as he kept on lecturing us for 30 mins. Trying to influence us.
But these things , the stories that he put up always had a proof behind it , he gave the credibility of the Vedas.
And said that these were wrongly translated by the Great saints .
We didn't knew he was a follower of Rampal which he revealed at last or else we wouldn't have heard all of these dillusions at the first place.
We were just forcibly sat down for 30 minutes , lectured which obviously doesn't go well with any teenager.
We were actually less into these things like Holy things.
Never had read any books.
Just were doing the formal blank filling.
He even said that he's in jail because no one wanna accept the truth.
But as we knew that Sant Rampal was paying for the Karmas he did .
We just keep on hearing those dillusions which he tried to present before us as facts , lol.
One thing is for certain behind all of this , that all of this controversy just have dillusioned some people.
If Sant Rampal is good then why is he in the jail in the first place.
And why does his followers want to enforce their opinions on us.
And who in the seven hell's gave him or his followers the right to demean others.
Well now after 3 to 4 months after all of this .
I suddenly have generated a curiosity in spirituality and stuff trying to know the real me inside this materialistic body.
So I've decided to start a journey of my own , like so many other great personalities did.
If not able to find God , atleast find me.
And I come to know that meditation or dhyan is the real way to attain all this knowledge.
Lord Buddha did the same.
And mayne I'd also try to find my own way between all of this chaos , like one saying a particular thing and the other just contradicting it.
Plus I've also decided read Bhagwat Gita itself. Greatest of the book of the mankind.
Not sure if I'd be able to go through all the 4 vedas but atleast will go through BhagwatGita cause I have a special place in my heart for Bhagwan Ram himself previous avatar of Lord Krishna . (Lord vishnu himself)
Cause I've heard that BhagwatGita is like the summary of all the Vedas and it's by Shri Krishna himself.
That makes it even more interesting.
And yeah great questiona raised by you.
Although I read almost half of the the article and the questions you raised were absolutely true and I appreciate your work for that.
Keep up the good work
And yes maybe someday I'll get to know all of this agar Eishwar ki marzi hui toh
Thank you. Please share this blog among as many people as possible. And prevent a naive person from getting trapped by him.
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Well ok even if you consider Kabir as God but I can prove lots of loopholes in his writings. Specially if you read my proofs you cannot deny that Durga is the wife of Shiva.
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ReplyDeleteI want to point out some inconsistencies in your post.
8. Kaal is sinless
"Kaal has a name Niranjan. Niranjan means sinless. So there is no chance that Kaal raped Durga as he is sinless."
Does giving something a name imbibes all the qualities to it? For example, if I name myself "Supreme Leader", does it make it the supreme leader?
Clearly this logic is incorrect.
Also, Kaal was known as Niranjan _when he was in Satlok_. Once he did bad deeds, he was banished from there and thence came to be known as "Kaal", which means time or death.
2. Lack of references
In your post, you say "Sant Rampal also says that love marriage is a cause of social unrest and marriage should happen only for the purpose of giving birth to children."
I have never heard this before. Do you have any reference for it?
3. Kabir is not above Tridev
I want to point out that the Tridev / Trigun of Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesh are not supreme.
Vishnuji himself proclaims that he worships Durga ji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvj8jB8rTg
Also, the knowledge giver of Bhagvat Gita ji (whether you believe him to be Kaal or Vishnu), himself says that those who dont worship me but worship Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh are foolish and demonic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ubeRBWN18
The writings of Kabir Das ji are subtle and quite numerous. Just by looking at a single verse (which is wrongly translated in the English version in the article), is not enough to prove whether he his God or not.
The vedas do state that Kavir is the supreme, peace giving God who lives in Satdham (Satlok).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT83d4yAjcE
Many saints, like Dharamdas ji, Dadu ji, Garibdas ji and Nanak ji also attest that Kabirji is God.
Yes he did say that love marriage causes social unrest. Check out his views on Shiva and Sati in a blog.
DeleteYou can even see his Valentine's day special video
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DeleteRead this link and it will prove that Kaal never raped Durga, wife of Shiva.
About Bhagawad Gita tell me can you clarify that if Kaal is bad why does he say that he will come to protect Dharma? And whenever a demon would torture people it was either Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva or Parvati (Durga and Kali) who came to protect. There is no instance where Kabir killed any demon.
DeleteI do consider Kabir godly no doubt. He did perform miracles. And about Garib Das as far as I read, he did consider him as his God. He didn't say that Tridev aren't worthy of worship.
And about Nanak, he did treat Kabir like a friend. And I've read somewhere that Nanak said that Kaaba is a Shiv temple which means that he considered Shiva as Allah. Also in his poem he says "Ik Onkar Naam Satnam". Onkar / Omkar is a name of Shiva only. Shiva too is formless.
Kaal is the ruler of the 21 brahmands where we live. From time to time he needs to slay daemons / forces of evil, otherwise they would become too strong and destroy everything.
DeleteThe reason you dont hear about Kabir ji slaying demons is because he is a benevolent God. All the living beings are his creation, so it pains him to destroy them unless really needed. If you read his teachings, he advocates tolerance, being good to others and not causing harm and suffering.
By the way I do accept the divinity of Kabir like Lokenath Baba, Sai Baba, Guru Nanak. But I don't accept filthy rape tales of Durga and I've given sufficient proof that Durga is the wife of Shiva.
DeleteIf you worship Durga ji, I understand the thought of her being raped will feel hurtful.
ReplyDeleteIt is true however. Have commented on your other post.
The 9 Mukhi Rudraksha proves the existence of Navdurgas (which prove Parvati and Durga are same) and the 108 names of Durga include names like Sati, Raudramukhi, Dakshakanya, Daksha-Yagya-Vinashini, etc. And The 51 Shakti Peethas of Sati are temples attributed to Durga, Kali, etc.
DeleteAnd we don't take Puranas so seriously. They are subject to manipulations. Some Puranas were manipulated to degrade Brahma and spread rumours that he married his daughter Saraswati but we know Saraswati is not his daughter.
We have one thing in common. We treat Kabir as God, though in a different way. But I sincerely request you not to commit the blasphemy of treating a man like Sant Rampal as God who claims himself to be God. Now you say Kabir is compassionate and all. But look at Sant Rampal. He is speaking filthy shit on Shiva and Sati and said their marriage was not a marriage but a 'love affair'. He says love marriage causes social unrest. Thanks to God that my friend saved me from his trap. I was about to get deluded by him but then my friend told me he spoke shit on Krishna and she saw it from her eyes and heard it from her ears. From then I did more research and realised he has such a filthy mindset. Comparing with him Kabir would be an insult to Kabir.
There is a slight nuance here. In Sant Rampal ji's videos, he does not say that he is God. Rather he says he is Das (servant) of God. The disciples though should treat him just like they would treat God. Based on Kabir ji's vani that:
Deleteगुरू गोविन्द दोऊ खड़े, काके लागूं पांय।
बलिहारी गुरू अपने गोविन्द दियो बताय।।
I have been following him for many years now, and have yet to see him say filthy shit about anyone. Whatever he says, he tries to back up his sayings with Proof from the Holy Books or Kabir Sahib's Vaanis.
The reason he attracts controversy is because he speaks the truth, which In many cases is the opposite of what we have been taught. So its difficult for us to digest it initially. For example, we have been hearing from so long that Shri Brahma ji, Shri Vishnu ji, or Shri Shiv ji are the supreme God, but it is simply not true. The proof can be found in Bhagwat Gita Ji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4L8APew-A&list=PL142854E931742422
You can listen to his Satsang and decide whether you like it or not. He himself says that you should satisfy yourself fully before you decide to follow. There is no "trap" :) (except the trap of Birth and Death we are in).
Peace.
God bless you whoever you are. Whoever we worship that's our wish. I have sufficient proofs for my belief and you are entitled to your opinion. I will worship Kabir in my style and you do it in your own 😇. I'm just against his filthy rape rumour on Durga and 'the rape of Durga' is something he is banking on and I already have seen many proofs which prove she is Parvati. And she is Jwala Devi who's flames Akbar couldn't extinguish and it's scientifically proven. I have huge respect for Kabir Das, Guru Nanak, Sai Baba and Lokenath Baba and they are indeed Godly. It's more important that we are good humans than whome we worship.
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DeleteAnd please read this. He literally said that the marriage of Shiva and Sati was a 'love affair' and not a marriage. And his details about the marriage of Brahma with Saraswati (in her avtar Savitri), Shiva with Parvati and Vishnu with Lakshmi (in her avtar Niladevi) are also incorrect. Shiva and Parvati had a wedding with great pomp (and on a different occasion) and their wedding flames still burn in the Triyuginarayan temple. When Vishnu married Niladevi during the churning of the ocean, then Shiva was already married to Parvati as she took the form of Tara and resided on his throat when Shiva drank the poison. Before the marriage of Shiva and Parvati, Brahma was married to Savitri and Gayatri, the forms of Saraswati and later he married Saraswati in her original form. Vishnu was also married to Lakshmi in her original form before Shiva married Parvati and later married Bhudevi, who like Niladevi, is a form of Lakshmi.
God bless you. And let's respect Kabir Ji and live with humanity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dev%C4%ABs%C5%ABkta
DeletePlease read this. This is a part of Rig Veda which Sant Rampal has deliberately concealed from us.
Senseless people. Instead of finding flaws you could have listen complete Satsang first. all of your flaws are baseless.
ReplyDeleteWatch Satsangs read books by Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj. Without them you will never attain salvation.
Waste your time doing all these or do bhakti and get yourself liberated from this Kaal Lok.
When you cut a tree from the bottom, then the entire tree falls. I've read the Saubhagya Ashtottar Shatnamvali by Dattatreya, incarnate of Tridev. He has authenticated that Durga is wife of Shiva. This means that Durga isn't mother of Shiva. The root of all his lies is the rumour of the rape of Durga. Now since Shiva isn't her son and her husband, so it's clear Durga wasn't raped. I don't need to listen to his satsang. I already read his blogs and he says love marriage should be banned. He said Shiva and Sati's marriage was not a marriage but a love affair. He isn't eligible to be a true guru.
DeleteAnd trust me you haven't read the blog properly. That's why you are calling me senseless. Lol 😛.
DeleteInstead of reading any other scriptures, focus your attention on Vedas & Bhagwad Geeta.
DeleteCrosscheck while listening to Satsangs. The blogs haven't been written by Saint Rampal Ji himself.
Vedas itself mention Durga is the wife of Shiva. I've given proofs.
DeleteKabir was no god. He was a humble good human being. Making him god and cheating with people, calling durga was raped. Ye sb dhongi baba ek din narak me sadege. Krishan ne Geeta boli lekin krishna bhgwan nhi h. Lol.
DeleteJaya guru dev jhuta h but uski bhavishya wani schhi h. Lol.
Puran jhute h, but purano me likhi hui apni mtlb ki baat scchhi h.
Bhai apni ankhe kholo. Geeta Shri Krishana ne boli thi.
Agr m kahu ki Bible Ram me boli thi or ram ke bete the Jesus ? Sound funny na ?
Yahi bkwas ye log kr rhe h jb krishna ka gyan inko hazam nhi ho rha.
Hindu dharam ke itni achi Geeta h inse sehn nhi hua to bol rhe ki, Geeta krishna ne likhi hi nhi.
Mtlb yaar, pde likhe log bhi ek Geeta khud se nhi pd PA rhe h.
I am totally agree with you, Aditi.
ReplyDeleteRampaul is a big fraud.
One and only Sant Rampal ji Maharaj tells the true worship which is written in our holy scriptures. Read Gyan Ganga.https://www.jagatgururampalji.org/en/publications
ReplyDeleteTumne khud Geeta pdi h ? Usme likha h kya ki "m krishana Vishnu ka avtar hu or vishnu ki maa Durga ka hmare papa ne rape kiya" ??
DeleteKuch bhi bkwas yar. Dekho m manta hu tum bhkti kr rhe ho, but andhbhakti thik nhi.
Na sirf tum jhut pd the ho blki faila bhi rhe ho. Or reference bhi Geeta ka hi le rhe ho.
Hlo,I am not telling whether Rampal is true or not. But the meaning of that line you have taken from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is wrong. Guru nanak dev ji never adopted any thing of Hindu/Sanatan Dharam
ReplyDeleteThat line with correct meaning is:
ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ।।
Meaning
Guru Nanak dev ji condemn the ideology of Sanatan Dharam & said in this line that:
For me, Guru is Shiva, Guru is vishnu & Brahma, Guru is Parvati, everything for me is Guru.
So, stop writing anything if you haven't read the whole guru granth sahib.
But Sant Rampal believes in all sanatan dhram and says it is true but it is useless while Kabir never believed in any Geeta or Veda. That means Sant Rampal is fooling all innocent people by calling Kabir God which was just a normal person who was spreader of love, humanity and kindness above any dharm.
DeleteActual excerpts from the sikh website..
Deleteਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥
Gur Eesar Gur Gorakh Baramaa Gur Paarabathee Maaee ||
The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.
There are many verses except this that shows many Gurus such as Guru Gobind or him worshipping the name of Krishna Gobjnda or Raam..yes he might have criticised some of the nuance practised in them such as caste systems but he never had his religion such asAnti Sanatan..He probably adored many or even most of them
There is nothing such as Everything is Guru in the excerpts..
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Only this, "The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi".
ReplyDeleteWho is God for one in very simple words?
One who gives life to the dead!
Gives food to the hungry!
Money to the Poor!
In short, peace of mind and body.
With the way of worship given by Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj, many of his devotes are cured of cancer, AIDS and now COVID 19 and many more deadly diseases. So for them he is God. I am definitely not blaming you or questioning your research but
Today as you and me we are healthy and wealthy but we all know that life is full of ups and downs in those hard times of our lives whoever helps us and cures us when anyone in this world is incapable of he is God.
Saint Rampal Ji does not insult Brahma Ji or Vishnu Ji Or shiva Ji. He just tells us the right way to worship them.
Leave the knowledge but there are some things beyond knowledge and theories.
You can visit youtube channel " REAL STORY " various of his devotes have given interviews in which they are cured of deadly diseases.
And just because we think that someone is wrong does not mean that that person is wrong. We might have misinterpreted someone and it is not your fault it is just a vicious cycle.
It is hard for us to find God when we are healthy and wealthy but when some miss-happening happens that we don't read books or gather knowledge at that moment we just want ourselves cured.
It is all your choice and will remain your choice but
wasn't Bhagat Singh hanged? wasn't Jesus tortured to death. Were they wrong? or were they false?
So how can you judge Saint Rampal Ji just by because he is in jail?
Let me tell you this he will be out of jail soon and then you will know who he really his!
I understand you and I can put me your shoes, I know it's hard but putting too much logic creates paradox.
Why can't we keep things simple?
Is God that much complex?
one who gives us peace is the God.
You will and the whole world will know soon who is Saint Rampal Ji Maharaj!
Don't judge too soon.
Thank You.
So should we start worshipping rape supporting Cult god Kabir
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DeleteKabir was actually very Divine, a godly person..but we don't need to follow these specific types of Cults..
DeleteMere vichar hai ek bar aap kabir mansoor avashya padhiye aapko Saare sawal ke jawab mil jayega.kripya adhuri jaankari ke bina lekh post Na kiya Karen
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Khud se ek bar Geeta pd lo. Kabir ne khud ko bhgwan nhi btaya. Tum unko bhgwan bnake apni dukaan chala rhe ho. Insan ko insan rehne do or logo ko ashtha se mt khelo. Bhgwan ko sabit krne ke liye dushre dhram ki kitabo se lines mt churao apne mtlb ke liye. Jo line kam ki h wo churate ho or baki sb bole jhut h. Jo mtlb ka h wo sch h bs.
DeleteVery nice..
ReplyDeleteGood. You will get lot of hate comments here.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this blog. Very much helpful and insightful...
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ReplyDeleteThanks. I also have gone through many things which are not true.
Actually aaj kal ke dharam guru log, sikh or Hindu dhrm ko milake ek new dharm creat krne lge h. Jisme hindu dhram ke gods ko mrityu lok ka btate h jo koi kaam ke nhi. And Satnam jesa Geeta ya vedo me kuch likha hua nhi h.
Mix krke apne mtlb ke liye new dhram bnake logo ko bhtka rhe. Or log bhi bewkuf. Khud se Geeta ki ek line nhi pdi hogi pr dushre ke bola to maan liye.
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ReplyDeleteAll seems good and OK..
ReplyDeleteYours comment-"Also to state that the narrator of Gita calls himself Mahakal, a name of Shiva. As Krishna is an incarnation of Vishnu, Vishnu can be proven to be an incarnation of Shiva. This also applies to Brahma."
It was actually talking of Krishnas Time and Destroyer not Siiva..He has another place where he said he is Suiva in Rudras or vice versa
First of all big respect to you and i have a question that how people get fooled by these babas even though its just basic common sense and even some educated (not sure though) people get fooled too though Rampals cult is mostly full of uneducated people and middle aged men but i dont get it cuz its just basic common sense that the stories that baba is telling is just made up out of thin air this thing pisses me off how can people just blindly believe anyone when its just too obvious and i also think that they pay a lot of people to make people aware about it do you think that this bullshit is still effective in 2023 (i dont think so).
ReplyDeleteFollowers of Rampal are hopeless and helpless because of their own sins they are being punished by god, so they have changed their god only thinking that they won't be punished now ,,😂 people who don't follow hin, who don't even know him are getting cured of deadly diseases, i had covid i got cured, few of my relatives had cancer, they got cured, but they didn't even know rampal, its just in ur mind, and yes if he can do so much, why can't he treat his own dental pyorrhea. Rolf ,😆
ReplyDeleteI read all of this thread. But the worst thing is not mentioned by anyone. Baba Rampal called sadashiv a devil, who need 1 lakh dead bodies to calm his hunger, because of a shraap given by Kabir for raping Durga. And Shiva brings him the shav. That's too wrong at so many levels. Matlab kuch bhi ??? He wants to create fear in the heart of Hindus. He emphasized on not worshipping any God, Many things he quoted are right, but not everything.
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